Return to INDIA (R2I as they say) !! – Part 5

November 29, 2009 at 12:53 pm 13 comments

The expensive new world and the inexpensive old world

Most folks coming back to India or rather to be more specific Bangalore, would say that it has become outrageously expensive to live here. There is definitely a lot of truth in that statement.

Daily lunch in a decent restaurant such as Shanti Sagar/Sukh Sagar costs around 200-250 bucks for the two of us. A cab trip from one part of the town to another costs you close to 300-400 bucks. I have heard that a movie outing would loosen your wallet by at least 500-1000 bucks (though we haven’t had a chance to go out..too busy settling in). Baristas and Coffee day would easily throw you back by 100-200 bucks for the bare minimum. When it comes to big-ticket items, a 42+inch LCD TV costs 60K-1 lakh for good brands; LED’s cross the lakh mark. (but still if you are coming back, don’t buy a TV there, buy it here. You will help the economy here + the customs guy will slap a 15% duty anyways + LCD Tv’s are the most stolen item during shipping)

Our good old desi cars in the US – the Honda civics, city et al are the top-notch cars an urban middle-class double income family can think of buying at this time. They range from 6-7 lakhs for the Jazz model to 10-15 lakhs for the city/civic models. House prices are the killers. A good three bedroom in a good locality with good amenities would cost you at the very minimum 70 lakhs !!  It’s very common to see crore plus advertisements for apartments. Here’s the icing on the cake. The supposed good pre-schools and kindergartens cost upwards of 70K/annum. My whole of engineering including tuition, mess bill, hostel fees and miscellaneous items did not cost my dad more than 2 lakhs and here they are talking about first grade for a lakh/annum !!

Now I am sure you would have heard these numbers before from people here. I had heard it too. But sitting in the US you can’t help but actually feel a little bit proud that India is growing (inflation most of the times is seen as a sign of growth). Also with the USD salaries there all of these would seem reachable, but trust me once you land here and put all of these things together you would see the plush INR salary that you negotiated and which you thought should hold good would no longer seem enough.The problem is that these prices are comparable with the US prices and in many cases equal in terms of absolute conversion. But in terms of cost of living index, the prices kill you.

A good mattress in the US costs $600 which for a $80K plus income turns out to be 1/8th of the monthly take home. Here the same thing costs Rs 20K which is 1/3rd of a comparable salary. These are the numbers that I am staring at in the next few months -

Rent-20000
Electricity-500
Gas-650
Maid-2000
Driver-6000
Petrol-4000
Cell Phone Bill=1500
Landline-500
Internet-850
Cable-500
Groceries-5000
Entertainment-5000
Miscellaneous-5000
Total Rs 51,500 (God help me !!)

If you buy a house and take a loan you can change the rent above to 1/100th of the loan you take. So say you take loan of 50 lakhs, then your mortgage would be around 50K which brings your expenses close to 1 lac/month which in turn requires a salary of at least 22-25 lakhs/annum. Remember this means no saving except for your house.  Did I just prove that a 22-lakh/annum salary means no saving? Welcome to the new INDIA. I hope these numbers help people in their salary negotiations depending upon their lifestyles.

Now of course, this is the expensive side of Bangalore and the lifestyle that we chose to live. Coming back from the US, you are in the NRI mode and you tend to close the gap between what you chose to leave back in the US with what you get here. In trying to close the gap you tend to lean towards the premium aspects of the Indian society and therein lies the quandary.  But there is also the inexpensive side or the old Bangalore. You could very well live in Bangalore by spending half the amount mentioned above. You could rent a house for 5k, 10K, 15K or even for 50K. You could chose not to have maids or drivers. In fact, maids and drivers are a luxury in the US. You could avoid going to the malls and shop in the local market. You can avoid the cabs and take the volvo buses (fantastic buses they are by the way). You could buy your groceries from the local bania instead of going to MORE or Big Bazaar.

But I can bet you that you wouldn’t do that when you are here. We (speaking for the new generation) have moved on from the lifestyle lived by our parents most of their lives (In fact our parents have moved on too). We are no longer the penny-pinching kind. We have started living tomorrow’s life today.

I am not sure if this is good or bad. But this is what I see here. Hopefully we have a better end than what US has/is going through. :)

PS: Debit cards and not credit cards are the norm here. That is in a way good right? You wouldn’t rack up huge credit card bills.

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13 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Mukund Mohan  |  November 30, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Hey there, welcome to Bangalore. I got back a year ago. Glad you’re having fun. Go for the Honda City BTW.

    Reply
    • 2. AMK  |  November 30, 2009 at 1:25 pm

      Hey….Mukund. Thanks for the welcome. Went with a Honda..but a civic.

      Reply
  • 3. Seema  |  November 30, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Keep writing..very interesting posts so far!

    I don’t understand your mattress calculation, though. So, what you are saying is that the Rs 20,000 mattress will be 1/3rd of the take home salary for a person earning about Rs 60,000 per month ( 8 lakhs per year) in India. So are you saying that $80K salary in US is comparable to 8 lakhs per year in India?

    And another question, if the expense in Bangalore is 1 lakh per month (12 lakhs per year), then wouldn’t you do great with salary of 22 lakh per year? I mean you will save 10 lakhs every year if there are no other outgoing expenses. Or are you taking into consideration income tax etc? Just wondering if I am missing anything or perhaps you are only giving a ballpark and not accurate numbers.

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    • 4. AMK  |  November 30, 2009 at 1:49 pm

      My numbers surely are ballpark figures with take home salaries with tax part removed. So for example, a take home of Rs 60K would mean at least 12-14 lakhs/annum and not 8 lakhs. $80K salary (before tax) is comparable to a 12 lacs before tax salary.

      If expenses are 1 lac/month, you would need a take home of 12 lacs which is approximately 20-22 lacs CTC (cost to company) which is the gross.

      Reply
    • 5. AJ  |  November 4, 2010 at 4:54 am

      If you have a mortgage, then subtract the rent. OR add rental income. That saves you 20000. Also ppl may not want to club driver, entertainment and misc as fixed costs….they are disposable income based and discretionary. Subtract 15000. So things are not as bad as you make it to be, but we are getting there!

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      • 6. AMK  |  November 4, 2010 at 6:14 pm

        Agree that you can subtract the 15K as discretionary. Disagree with you on the mortgage part. It is much worse. Unless you put down a sizeable chunk as downpayment you cannot get your mortgage below 20K for a decent 3-BHK. And how is mortgage not a fixed cost according to you?

  • 7. amit  |  November 30, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    well the best part is you can afford maid &a driver in UK this is outside the budget mate!

    Reply
  • 8. Venkat  |  December 1, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    aren’t Gen Yers supposed to “earn to spend”?

    you sure can use help of an accountant. Isn’t Naga helping you?

    Reply
  • 9. chaitanya  |  December 3, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Good post and very helpful for me. By the ways, you r buying civic, cool! BTW, my question about schools – the number you have quoted is for pre-schools/kindergarten – how valid is it for higher grades, do you know if the fee increases or decreases dramatically at later grades?

    –CS

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    • 10. AMK  |  December 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm

      I actually am not a hundred percent sure. I can find it out for you. My guess is that it does not increase with the grades.

      Reply
  • 11. shashi  |  December 21, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    nice blog aji.. gives me a good perspective.
    In your list above, you missed school, doctor/medicines.

    Reply
  • 12. PP  |  March 18, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    I kind of question, ‘cost of living index & mattress ‘ argument. Let us look at just the high level numbers. As you mentioned, ongoing monthly expenses are: 1 lac / month. Here in US, for a similar lifestyle, having our own home, we have a monthly expense of close to $4000. That’s twice the expense of 1 lac/month. If we relocate to India, we probably can earn 30 lacs (20 + 10). And here in US, we are making $160,000 combined. That’s 2.5 times of the annual salary in India !.

    So, the ratio remains same (almost)

    Mattress is a one time expense and typically for these, we tend to go for imported items. And hence, the price is equivalent to US price.

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    • 13. AMK  |  March 19, 2010 at 1:03 am

      Hi PP,
      Appreciate your comment. A few things here-
      (1) My comments were more an observation than a statistical comparison of cost of living indices. It is meant to apprise folks who are returning to India as to what they should expect in terms of monthly expense and how much should they make at the very minimum.
      (2) Talking about actual comparisons – the general rule of thumb is that chances are that you would make 25-33% of your actual USD salary. That comes to around 20-24 lakhs and not 30 lakhs. (but this is more subjective). Let’s say 22Lacs is the more correct figure?
      (3) $160K = ~$10K/month (in hand assuming net 25% taxes). Expenses = $4K. Net Savings = $6K? Right? Ratio = $6K/$10K = 60% savings?
      INR 22,00000 = ~1,37,000 (in hand assuming net 25% taxes). Expenses = Rs 1,00,0000. Net Savings = INR 37K. Ratio = 37K/137K = 27% savings?
      Does this explain?

      Reply

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